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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 01:42:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Because it has no relationship to how things really work. You can always make the most money in areas where there is the most stability. And when you think about it that makes sense. here is what doesn't.
Posting in a Stealth Nerf High Sec Thread
Nexus Day wrote:The price of stability is a higher "price of admission". I could mine gold in the Congo or in Alaska. In the Congo there are less barriers to entry and lower overall costs, but significantly more risk. It is the first part that is missing in EvE hi sec, barriers to entry and higher overall costs.
Posting in a Stealth High Sec is Too Safe Thread
Nexus Day wrote:Nothing is free in a "civilized" nation or space. Where are the mining permits and the subsequent outlaws that mine without a permit? Where are the taxes, beyond corporate taxes, for living in protected space? Docking permits, trade license, etc.
Posting in a Stealth Support the New Order Thread
Nexus Day wrote:Beyond making the hi sec experience realistic it could add flavor to the game. Loose practices in some factions including corrupt officials or tight laws down to a specific permit required for each type of ore. All available at a local space station.
Posting in Yet Another Stealth Support the New Order Thread
Nexus Day wrote:Risk versus reward is bozo. Lo sec is about freedom, hi sec is about sacrificing those freedoms for protection.
Posting in a Stealth Kick All Carebears Into Low Thread
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 11:33:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:-all you have to do is move to low and do low sec exploration to win billions.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:07:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:The risk is scripted here.
I just posted about having an interceptor like mining vessel (good for gas/moon/ore mining, with 100% yield and like a 5000m3 for any mat or refine) that can be used for ninja mining. The concept is good because it gets miners into the action (real miners not the AFK "I need to make some isk for my main to pewpewpew" types) with true risk vs rewards.
It's not done. Venture?
Seriously. I wonder about that moon mining Interceptor though. Does OP think that ships mining moons is possible right now for some reason ? There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:52:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:The only way to make high sec less profitable is to make veldspar mining less profitable. This can only be done by either increasing supply (mining more of it) or reducing the demand (which only CCP can do and they in fact increased the demand awhile ago)
Any direct attacks on the high sec mining industry itself just decreases supply, increasing prices and make the rest of the miners richer and others more motivated to start doing it.
It's been at least half a year since it was worth mining lone Veldspar. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:54:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Anymore in GD peeps crying "risk vs reward' is NULL codeword for nerf HI SEC TBH  Yes, because it needs nerfing. How anyone can think that a game that supposed to be about player control and interaction having a zone so stable most player never choose to leave it (and thus never try to exert any control over the game) will boggle my mind until the day i return to ashes and dust. CCP can talk about "people who log in should be slightly angry" or whatever the quote was, but as long as high sec is like it is, it will only display a shadow of the chaotic human-driven beauty it can and should always have been.
How does running exploration sites in Low or doing anything in Low at all help me "exert control over the game " ? There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 13:17:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Anymore in GD peeps crying "risk vs reward' is NULL codeword for nerf HI SEC TBH  Yes, because it needs nerfing. How anyone can think that a game that supposed to be about player control and interaction having a zone so stable most player never choose to leave it (and thus never try to exert any control over the game) will boggle my mind until the day i return to ashes and dust. CCP can talk about "people who log in should be slightly angry" or whatever the quote was, but as long as high sec is like it is, it will only display a shadow of the chaotic human-driven beauty it can and should always have been. How does running exploration sites in Low or doing anything in Low at all help me "exert control over the game " ? By denying a market opportunity to other low sec explorers, unlike high sec mission runners (mission running being the most used PVe in high sec) who are getting infinite missions from the same agents other people get infinitemissions from. Mission runners may interact with markets some because of LP, but thats it. Low sec is still empire that, real player driven madness (other than the markets) happens in nullsec and wormholes That's why you always see null sec and wormholes featured in CCP's Ads for the game. When was the last time we saw a CCP Advert for the game of a dude running mission after mission after bloody mission in high sec?
You seem to be implying that there are no High Sec Exploration Sites that allow one to 'deny market opportunity' to others.
Or that there is not any Market manipulation or Market PvP going on in High Sec.
Are these not 'exerting control over the game' as well ?
There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 14:00:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: (panseys that they tend to be)
Well, at least that's true in my case............. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 14:06:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
EVE's real potential is outside of CONCORD protection, yet even in a game like EVE, the average human being can't get past the idea of losing PIXELS long enough to do anything meaningful (in the game sense). Whi8le i believe "to each his own", it seems like a huge waste, like a single player game of checkers.
But what about The Blob and such. Dynamism of which you are describing has been killed by the players themselves IMHO.
Jenn aSide wrote:Not to the same extent as in other places, no. Is the Gallente Federation going to cede control of Dodixie to you because you ran 10,000 missions?
The Factions do not cede control anywhere except in FW....a very limited part of the game indeed. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 14:09:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: What i'll never understand is why you types (and you are in EVERy video game with multiplayer and every MMO) can't just leave folks like us alone to have out harsh high competition cut throat games without coming in and trying to water it down.
Players cannot do that.
Only CCP can. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 14:13:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mining permits are already a thing, and have been for a while now, how did you miss the threadnaughts and whinefests about the New Order? lol. The New Order guys have literally zero impact on game-play. Outside of the forums I have never (despite asking frequently) encountered anyone who has bumped into anyone actually doing that mining permit crap. If I ever find one, I will war dec their corp, just for the lols.
I know someone who did have an 'encounter' and 'discussion' with them.
Did not pay either. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 14:17:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
EVE's real potential is outside of CONCORD protection, yet even in a game like EVE, the average human being can't get past the idea of losing PIXELS long enough to do anything meaningful (in the game sense). Whi8le i believe "to each his own", it seems like a huge waste, like a single player game of checkers.
But this seems to be the big issue in Null as well. The Blob and such. Dynamism of which you are describing has been killed by the players themselves IMHO. This is a false (GD fed) perception. Even in null, most pvp has nothing to do with "blobs". I haven't been in a big fleet in 2 years personally. I know some people do nothing but big fleets, but there is plenty of small gang and solo stuff going on. It's a bit frustrating to experience null for the last 5 years then come here and see how people are SO SURE it's so terrible and all blobs and moon goo. It's just...not.
But it is grunt work, and surrendering assets to faceless alliances, and 4 AM Alarm Clock Ops.
Just doesn't have the ring of 'appealling'.
edit: But is that Player's fault, or CCP's ?? There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 15:21:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
While I've observed such behavior in other games, it took me by surprise when I encountered it in games like EVE and Darkfall. WTFmate, even the hardcore games are over-run but squishy soft ego types who can't stand the idea of loss.
Don't get me wrong. Avoiding those losses is my game play strategy. With the available mechanics as is.
Even I don't want Theme Park, but CCP is a business, and in my 48 years I've never seen one single company not go where the money is. It's just a fact of business life. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 15:23:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Alarm clock CTA's??? -really??? Does this really happens in this game and are there really so many idiots doing it?-this community never ceases to amaze me.
I hear this ALL the time as the primary reason they bailed out of Null. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 15:35:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: You have to adapt to that as much as the "wuss" players have to adapt to the game's harsher aspects, which still exist in substantial glory, and everyone is adapting!
I would think they would appreciate the increasing number of "wuss" players.
More Targets. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.02 16:04:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: You have to adapt to that as much as the "wuss" players have to adapt to the game's harsher aspects, which still exist in substantial glory, and everyone is adapting! I would think they would appreciate the increasing number of "wuss" players. More Targets. unless those Wusses come in Blood Raider skins they wouldn't be targets for me. But why do you think more "cancer" would be welcomed lol. That's what carebearism really is, it infects every hard core and pvp style game eventually. It was no different (for me) in mechwarrior and x-wing.
All I can say, is keep doing your 'thing' ingame. It's not going away anywhere. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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